She is young. 32 years old at the time of that photograph to be exact.

I have been hanging around on the web for many years now. Criticism goes with the territory.

I disagree with you across the board regarding emergency food storage.
No matter how you choose to eat.

I think there are two reasons for that. One is that you don't understand what I am saying about emergency food storage. Two is that you don't understand how I eat.

The main point of my first comment is that the foods you have mention for a “crisis” are not sustainable and foreign to many people.
sustainable diet.

And the main point of my last response to you was that the food I mentioned is sustainable for many many years (two of the items I mentioned will last about two decades, maybe longer. The third item is good for at least 5 years). For most people that will be a sufficient, sustainable and tasty addition to their food storage programs.

Further, while the foods might be foreign to "many people," they will not be foreign to people who are actively following a traditional foods diet. Just about everything on this blog is foreign to "many people." And for someone who is interested in embarking on such a path, they can learn about some foods that can provide an excellent source of saturated fat in their diet.

Surely it was Dr. Price’s hope that ALL PEOPLE would have the benefit of his work .

Yes and it is my hope that I get one million unique visitors a month. Nonetheless, regardless of my hope or Dr. Price's hope the only people who are going to benefit are those who are exposed to and actively adopt this approach to health and nutrition. So it really doesn't matter what the hope is, as I can only write to and for those who are committed to or interested in learning about this way of eating.

My side point was that the domestic arts, and accompanying skills have fallen by the wayside and are vital to a food way that is not dependent upon Globalism or Big Agri Biz.
Crisis or otherwise.

Yes indeed it is a side point and one that as I noted earlier I don't disagree with but also one that is not germane to the point of my article.

With practical self reliance life will go on no matter what comes along.

Yes

Because we’re talking “crisis” here – systems and infrastructure have completely failed.
The world as you know it is gone.

That is only one type of crisis. While just about everything you say here is geared to that one scenario, I didn't write my article in that vein, although it did take into account a long term crisis.

I think Dr. Weston Price could never have imagined Big Agri Biz, Monsanto, or John Morrell. Much less imported food from the 3rd World, vegetable factory farms or the so called consumer hoax of “Certified Organic”.

I think he could have easily imagined such a scenario, especially given his disdain for the "displacing foods of modern commerce" which were not natural to the diets of native tribes he studied: imported foods if you will. Still, what he could or could not have imagined was not the point of my article or has any bearing on this discussion. Price stated on numerous occasions not to slavishly follow any particular group's diet but to apply the principles of good nutrition in our current situations.

Given the reality and circumstances of the modern food era, I believe he would most certainly have approved of home raise and home canned meat – especially washed down with fresh, raw goat or cow’s milk, and a big, fresh from the garden spinach salad.

We know that he approved of everything above except canned meat. My guess is that he would have disapproved of canned meat as nutritionally inferior and harmful, much as the Foundation that bears his name today.

Without get overly involved, I must still disagree with your basic assertions regarding the long term home storage of foods.

I made no basic assertions about the long term home storage of foods. I made an assertion about three foods that can be added to any food storage program to provide taste and saturated fat, so necessary at any time but especially in an crisis.

I believe many of your ideas can only work for a short period of time and are completely unsustainable.
Without Globalism and large Agri Biz they simply cannot work.

I only had three ideas and all can work for many years. None of them are unsustainable and for a traditional foodie that can be a welcome change. So we don't go around and around unless you come up with some specific examples from my article in a future response I think this dialogue will be a waste of time.

Dr. Price, Ms. Fallon and others were/are for the most part realistic regarding geographical location, ethnicity and folk ways.
Sometimes his true believers and devotees sometimes aren’t.

A veiled criticism that like the rest of your criticisms are off base. If Sally Fallon isn't a "true believer" I don't know who is, but more germane to this article, have you ever read anything I have written about Dr. Price?

Most people in the U.S. are of European descent.
When they honestly eat like their ancestors did, it sure isn’t like Native Americans or the peoples’ of Asia or Caribbean.
In the US is more like pork & sauerkraut.

Most people in the US like beef and butter, neither of which is readily available or talked about in most food storage programs. When they are included they are dreadfully inferior nutritionally since most people are not aware how to preserve these foods other than canning. Also, coconut when available seems to be a food that is universally enjoyed regardless of one's ancestry.

You seem to not be aware of the specific teachings of Dr. Price. He never taught anyone to slavishly follow their ancestor's diet, only to ensure that the bodybuilding nutrients that appeared in their diet appear in our diet. He didn't think there was anything special about how you put that together.

Still, beef and butter are common items throughout the US that transcend nearly all cultures here in the US.

What’s more, average Americans
(Dr. Price natural/paleo foodie devotees included)
doen’t know how to garden, raise livestock, hunt, slaughter or dress meat.

You will get no argument here. That is why I wrote my article. Most followers of a traditional food program don't know how to do anything you mentioned above and aren't going to be learning anytime soon.

And for the record, the teachings of Dr. Price are not necessarily equivalent to most natural/paleo foodies.

Your notion of fresh venison made me smile.
Where’s the fat?
The only fat deer I’ve ever seen were living off of my neighbor’s GMO corn.

Are you sure you are responding to the right article? I never wrote anything about fresh venison.

Salting, dehydrating,crocking, corning and pickling of meat are other ways for the long term storage of meat.
But those methods are not as dependable as home canning.

I wrote about pemmican. Quite dependable.

The sure and dependable nature of canned foods is the primary reason canning revolutionized food storage – not to mention the way wars are fought.

The entire notion of eating fresh food and eating locally has only become an issue since WWII and the Green Revolution.

My problem with your assertions is they are not honestly sustainable over the course of a few days – much less many years.

Your math seems to be quite a bit different than mine. Pemmican and ghee can last for two decades. That is far more than just a few days.

Sure people can choke down ghee and coconut oil – but with what other foods?

You mean like pemmican?

I also made no mention of coconut oil other than using it to replace some of the beef tallow in pemmican.

And if you have to "choke down" ghee, i.e. clarified butter, I would say you are the one who is out of step with most folks in this country when it comes to food tastes.

But this just demonstrates you didn't read my article very closely since right near the end I say this:

So there you have it, the complete traditional foodie storage program that gives you beef fat, butterfat, and coconut fat, which will transform any food storage program both taste wise and nutrient wise.

In case you miss the point, I was talking about adding these foods to a storage program, not relying on them alone. Just in case it still isn't clear:

Coconut milk makes a great dairy milk substitute in a crisis which can be used with any grains you might have on hand for cereal.

Clearly I am not speaking of using these foods alone, although that certainly is possible but not desired or expected.

And where did they get the other foods? It’s a crisis remember?

I was writing about what to do before a crisis, remember?

Who’s got fresh, clean food in the middle of January? Nobody – unless you live in California, Florida or the extreme southern U.S.

Exactly the point of my article in particular and food storage in general. But I am more and more inclined to to believe you didn't read my article very closely.

I find it hard to believe that persons committed to eating in “the nutritional ways of our ancestors” are prepared to make their pemmican in their own kitchens.

Not to be flippant, but if anyone is going to do such a thing it would be people committed to “the nutritional ways of our ancestors”.

I think they’ll commercial.
And with what meat?
How could the safety of the meat and ingredients be assured?
USDA Organic?
That’s funny.

I really don't understand your point. If a person is trying to put together a food storage program in the midst of a crisis they are in deep doodoo. It is not going to happen. The point of storing food is to do it before a crisis hits and when it is not on most folks radar screen. It is too late once the crisis arrives whatever your approach.

And yes I don't think most people will do it, which is why I provided a link where they could buy all these products now, and many people did just that.

I would encourage people striving to eat a more “natural” diet – one that our ancestors would recognize – to actually study what their ancestors indeed ate.
Not only what they ate, but how it was produced and prepared. The effort, quantities, time and energy involved in that food production are all important considerations.

I can't speak for every one of my readers, but I know a number of them are keenly aware of the above, and have been so for years.

I think you should be commended for thinking about crisis or emergency preparations.
But in my opinion, I think you have a long way to go before your plans or preparations become practical.

The lack of difficulty in adding three readily available commercial food items is about as practical as it gets.

Many troubles come without a warning.
I’d like to suggest an exercise that my help you or others.

For 2 weeks, turn off all the electric and gas where you live.

I believe what you may learn about yourself and your food system may one day save your life.
Best wishes to you.

That is all good, but it wasn't the point of my article. At the very end I listed six things one needed to do to survive a crisis. My article was germane to #5 and nothing else. Had I been writing a much broader article on total crisis survival then what you say would have much more relevance.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

You seem very upbeat and positive.
That will be an asset if we are ever truly faced with the "next economy".

I disagree with you across the board regarding emergency food storage.
No matter how you choose to eat.

The main point of my first comment is that the foods you have mention for a "crisis" are not sustainable and foreign to many people.
sustainable diet.
Surely it was Dr. Price's hope that ALL PEOPLE would have the benefit of his work .

My side point was that the domestic arts, and accompanying skills have fallen by the wayside and are vital to a food way that is not dependent upon Globalism or Big Agri Biz.
Crisis or otherwise.

With practical self reliance life will go on no matter what comes along.

Because we're talking "crisis" here – systems and infrastructure have completely failed.
The world as you know it is gone.

I think Dr. Weston Price could never have imagined Big Agri Biz, Monsanto, or John Morrell. Much less imported food from the 3rd World, vegetable factory farms or the so called consumer hoax of "Certified Organic".
Given the reality and circumstances of the modern food era, I believe he would most certainly have approved of home raise and home canned meat – especially washed down with fresh, raw goat or cow's milk, and a big, fresh from the garden spinach salad.

Without get overly involved, I must still disagree with your basic assertions regarding the long term home storage of foods.

I believe many of your ideas can only work for a short period of time and are completely unsustainable.
Without Globalism and large Agri Biz they simply cannot work.

Dr. Price, Ms. Fallon and others were/are for the most part realistic regarding geographical location, ethnicity and folk ways.
Sometimes his true believers and devotees sometimes aren't.

Most people in the U.S. are of European descent.
When they honestly eat like their ancestors did, it sure isn't like Native Americans or the peoples' of Asia or Caribbean.
In the US is more like pork & sauerkraut.

What's more, average Americans
(Dr. Price natural/paleo foodie devotees included)
doen't know how to garden, raise livestock, hunt, slaughter or dress meat.
Your notion of fresh venison made me smile.
Where's the fat?
The only fat deer I've ever seen were living off of my neighbor's GMO corn.

Salting, dehydrating,crocking, corning and pickling of meat are other ways for the long term storage of meat.
But those methods are not as dependable as home canning.

The sure and dependable nature of canned foods is the primary reason canning revolutionized food storage – not to mention the way wars are fought.

The entire notion of eating fresh food and eating locally has only become an issue since WWII and the Green Revolution.

My problem with your assertions is they are not honestly sustainable over the course of a few days – much less many years.

Sure people can choke down ghee and coconut oil – but with what other foods?
And where did they get the other foods? It's a crisis remember?
Who's got fresh, clean food in the middle of January? Nobody – unless you live in California, Florida or the extreme southern U.S.

I find it hard to believe that persons committed to eating in "the nutritional ways of our ancestors" are prepared to make their pemmican in their own kitchens.
I think they'll commercial.
And with what meat?
How could the safety of the meat and ingredients be assured?
USDA Organic?
That's funny.

I would encourage people striving to eat a more "natural" diet – one that our ancestors would recognize – to actually study what their ancestors indeed ate.
Not only what they ate, but how it was produced and prepared. The effort, quantities, time and energy involved in that food production are all important considerations.

I think you should be commended for thinking about crisis or emergency preparations.
But in my opinion, I think you have a long way to go before your plans or preparations become practical.

Many troubles come without a warning.
I'd like to suggest an exercise that my help you or others.

For 2 weeks, turn off all the electric and gas where you live.

DO NOT go to the bank, market, grocery or any other retail establishment.
You have only the fuel in your car available to you. When your car runs out of gas – that's it.
Live on the money and food in you possession.
Manage all personal hygiene, lighting, heating , cooling, refrigeration, and medical needs without ANY commercial or outside intervention.
Community help is allowed providing it is non-electric, non commercial and non petroleum.
Good chance to work on your barter skills

Unless you are already off grid and living a self reliant life, I think you will find many of your food commitments will die in practice.

Two weeks is not an overly long crisis or emergency.

I believe what you may learn about yourself and your food system may one day save your life.
Best wishes to you.
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Hi, Granny. Welcome to NAPR.

I must disagree with your assertion that “canned meats aren’t the answer for most folks”. They most certainly are!

For the reader who is interested in following traditional food principles as articulated by people like Dr. Weston Price, Sir Robert McCarrison, and Vilhjalmur Stefansson they are not the answer. That is why I wrote the article. Based on those principles there is little that is available for storage. That is not to say they don't have a place (obviously they do) but rather it is secondary for those of us who wish to limit our consumption of the "displacing foods of modern commerce," a quote taken directly from Dr. Price

The home canning of low acid foods is an easy to learn skill.

You won't get any argument from me.

Home canned beef,chicken, pork, fish, rabbit and wild game have a long shelf life and are delicious. Not to mention, canned meat is a simple pop the lid and serve proposition.

Pemmican has a long shelf life as well. So does ghee as I have been recently informed that ghee can last for 15 years. I will update my article to include the new information. And you don't even have to pop the lid for pemmican.

Canned meat may be consumed cold or heated.

So can ghee, pemmican, and coconut milk.

Home canned chicken makes wonderful chicken salad or white chili.

Again no argument here.

Home canned pork makes a tender barbecue that is to die for.
And I think nothing is better for supper on a cold, snowy day, than home canned beef with gravy, mashed potatoes & home canned green beans!

Well we will just have to agree to disagree here. All those would be much better and tastier if fresh. I can't imagine any canned food that is to die for compared to the fresh version.

Home canned meat is kinder on most peoples’ wallets.

Compared to what?

The savings for the home canning of meat is just shy 20% of the comparable “store bought” product.

But I didn't advocate purchasing store bought canned meat in my article. I didn't advocate canned meat at all. That wasn't the purpose of the article. There are many places to get that information. I was talking about how to store traditional foods that work for long term storage in the normal state you would consume them.

The only equipment necessary is a pressure canner, Mason jars, lids, bands and a jar lifter.

Not to mention that obesity rates (childhood & adult) went through the roof.

I appreciate your thoughts but pressure canning food is inferior nutritionally, which is one reason why I wrote this article.

The contribution to American society that the old fashioned stay- at- home housewife/ farm wife made is just now being realized by a new generation who don’t know how to take care of themselves.

Again no argument here.

I mean after all, what do you imagine a farm wife did with a 1200lb. steer 75 years ago?

She sure didn’t freeze it

LOL! Yes what the Indians didn't eat immediately or within a reasonable time period they turned into pemmican.

Ghee,coconut milk and pemmican are not foods that most American families will recognize on their plates.

As I noted earlier this article was not written for most American families but rather those committed to obtaining the superior nutrition of their ancestors, even in a crisis, which includes having a sufficient amount of saturated fat, which is not the primary fat of chicken or pork, thus the emphasis on pemmican, ghee, and coconut.

Even so, anyone who recognizes butter will recognize ghee. They probably will like it better since it has an even richer butter flavor.

Coconut milk is quite popular across the US even if it is not normally thought of as healthy food since it has such a high amount of saturated fat.

The only thing off the radar of most families in America would be pemmican, but it would not be off the radar of anyone committed to the nutritional ways of our ancestors.

What’s more, it is VITAL that in an emergency or “survival” situation, that diet not be change or alter drastically.

This is especially true for young children.

Yes I think I made that point in my article.

Thanks for your comments.

Yes Creighton I think I'm with you on that one. It should be noted however that red clover tincture is great for treating cancer.

Hi Paula,

Yes its true but I don't much about it outside of occasionally having wheat grass juice over the years and being deeply involved with herbs which the untrained eye often mistakes for weeds.

Grass certainly does not have the ability to sustain human life for any significant amount of time. I would prefer to get my grass by eating the animals that eat grass.

Check out the post Vegetarians, Come Away From The Dark Side.

Thanks for your comment!

The home canning of low acid foods is an easy to learn skill.
Home canned beef,chicken, pork, fish, rabbit and wild game have a long shelf life and are delicious.
Not to mention, canned meat is a simple pop the lid and serve proposition.
Canned meat may be consumed cold or heated.

Home canned chicken makes wonderful chicken salad or white chili.
Home canned pork makes a tender barbecue that is to die for.
And I think nothing is better for supper on a cold, snowy day, than home canned beef with gravy, mashed potatoes & home canned green beans!

Home canned meat is kinder on most peoples' wallets.
The savings for the home canning of meat is just shy 20% of the comparable "store bought" product.

Most 12 year old children can be taught how to safely process low acid foods.
The only equipment necessary is a pressure canner, Mason jars, lids, bands and a jar lifter.
Home canning is the ultimate in re-cycling and self reliance.

What a shame that home canning and all cooking in general has become a thing of the past.

When women en mass left the home to "work" for money, home canning, cooking fell by the wayside, and individual home economies were ruined.
Not to mention that obesity rates( childhood & adult) went through the roof.
The contribution to American society that the old fashioned stay- at- home housewife/ farm wife made is just now being realized by a new generation who don't know how to take care of themselves.

I mean after all, what do you imagine a farm wife did with a 1200lb. steer 75 years ago?
She sure didn't freeze it

Ghee,coconut milk and pemmican are not foods that most American families will recognize on their plates.

What's more, it is VITAL that in an emergency or "survival" situation, that diet not be change or alter drastically.
This is especially true for young children.

Sunshine, that is something I need to know about. The cranking up of all things coconut in my diet has dramatically lowered my food costs because, at least for me, I don't want or need to consume as much meat. I was drooling over those chappatis and apple slices you mentioned the other day. No doubt coupled with some ghee they would be extremely tasty. I don't remember, are you cooking the apple?

Another little tidbit that no one seems to have noticed but that I will be writing about in a postscript to the Kitavan series is that the Kitavans, while eating fish, get 99.99% of their saturated fat from coconut, i.e. plant food. FUDA marches on.